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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:38 am 
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There's a better solution. If getting resurrected made one's heart race, it wouldn't be so easy to escape the consequences of tricking a priest. As is, post-resurrection recall means a liar will almost always escape. I know I'd be more willing to take chances with resurrections if I had a chance of immediately correcting a mistake.


I like that idea.


I'd have to agree with Wert and Forsooth here. I think making any other type of hard coding change would destroy many RP opportunities. There are many IC reasons to return someone of an opposite aura. As TroublePuff stated about Deirdra. Normally she'd never have given a known dark aura life, but for the sake of diplomacy and to right a wrong doing by others, she was asked if she could, and it turned into a nice RP scenario for her, myself and a couple others involved in the situation. I really don't think hard coding is the answer here. I believe it's up to the players themselves to monitor why they ressed someone. and if an IMM just happens to spy an opposit Aura ress, they can always inquire ooc, or even IC, of the priest why, then it's up to the priest to give a satisfactory reason. Otherwise they could be perhaps punished. This again would lead to RP, I always enjoy when I get to interact with the IMM's IC. whether they're playing themselves or even an NPC they wish to control.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:49 am 
I can go with the immortals asking about the person of different aura's for a ress... But that would then lead to ALOT of immortal work...

And as for dierdra example

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Arguing about this change on the basis of RP makes absolutely no sense to me. If you belong to a light aura god, by definition he does not like dark aura people. Regardless of how you RP your priest, you aren't going to talk your god into using his power to resurrect someone diametrically opposed to his values.


I mean no disrespect to dierdra I RPed with her GREATLY before and think she is good RPer personnally... BUT

And I guess it makes sense to say that regardless of the priest reasons he will not change the mind of thiere god... Like the pope cant convince god to do what god does not think is right..


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Make a rez of someone of opposed aura like a raise dead. Cost XP. That way the rezie has to make the choice to try to lie and trick them into getting a rez. The Gods still get their vengeance a little. Rezers who dont want to rez dark aura still have to do some work to keep on track.


Or give priests séance with detect aura and exorcism they can check auras. Or a new spell "know spirit", Know spirit is like know alignment only works at range on spirits in the afterlife.
C know spirit Bob
Your call to the afterlife goes unheard.
C know spirit Bob
The spirit bob is diabolical.
The spirit bob is scrupulous.


Or make rezes stunned as head butt skill the rezie. This would give the priest time to react to those who have tried to trick him, and deal with hopefully the correct RP response. This also slows down again those people who try for the super quick rez via manifest exorcise to get back into a single battle.


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werttrew wrote:
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There's a better solution. If getting resurrected made one's heart race, it wouldn't be so easy to escape the consequences of tricking a priest. As is, post-resurrection recall means a liar will almost always escape. I know I'd be more willing to take chances with resurrections if I had a chance of immediately correcting a mistake.


I like that idea.


I like that idea much better than hard coding who can rezz who.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:23 pm 
Again the problem is not that people lie to get a ress but that priest ress people they KNOW they shouldnt....Anyway....


Silmar..... While I think your mostly wrong I thank you dearly for you gave me this idiea...

Give the priest the spell to know the aura of the spirit...
Then if the spirit is of opposed aura TAKE AWAY XP for ressing him.
Of course lighties loose most from darkies and darkies from lighties...
Greys loose a middle ground amout of XP.

Of course to counter this The priest should gain more XP for ressing people in thiere OWN religion..... You can still RP ress if you want... and gives priest a real reason to try to bring people into thiere religion...


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Again the problem is not that people lie to get a ress but that priest ress people they KNOW they shouldnt


This is an offense already, and if IMM's find out, you're getting punished. There is no reason to hardcode this as it severely limits rp, if we were to enact hardcoding to prevent all kinds of offenses then we would have a sucky game. If you really think that OOC-rezzes are such a large problem and you've witnessed so many - REPORT IT!

And what a way to misquote Benzo btw, he didn't say that he has ever done it ... but that he had seen what you talked about (ie. ooc-rezzes).


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I think a short duration paralyze effect might be good for rezzes, like 10-30 seconds. I don't really remember how much health you have after being resurrected, but maybe having them start off with 15% or less?

And I think mezcao is turning into another tonth.


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Then if the spirit is of opposed aura TAKE AWAY XP for ressing him.
Of course lighties loose most from darkies and darkies from lighties...
Greys loose a middle ground amout of XP.

Oh, yeah! That's a brilliant idea! [/sarcasm] This would give a great advantage to, let's say, a Thubanite to make Vindictive Life-Giving a part of their RP. Let's say they pose themselves as a lightie priest with title and all, they even praise a lightie god when they rezz lighties. Then they would be taking a good amount of xp away (which obviously Thuban would not mind, since it was all in the name of deceit).
Plus, one of the main arguments against hard coding this is that darkies don't have enough priests. So, do you think this will help at all? I don't. I think it'll deter people from playing darkies. Plus, RP wise, there are some gray gods could care less if their priests help both necromancers and paladins. That's what the gray gods are there for... balance, to give/take from everybody.


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Konge wrote:
And what a way to misquote Benzo btw, he didn't say that he has ever done it ... but that he had seen what you talked about (ie. ooc-rezzes).

Ah, I hadn't even read that misquote. Konge for the save!

I'd like to add that what OOC-resurrections I have seen are largely rare, and usually resulted in blemishing. And Deirdra was NOT acting in an out-of-character manner.

It would please me greatly, Mezcao, if you learned how to use quotes properly. If you want to attribute someone's name, just type quote="Name" inside the [] brackets. You can even get the correct syntax, if you forget, by clicking the quote button of a post where it is done correctly, as that presents you the syntax in the edit window.

Finally, if darkie priests are having such a hard time, then throw them a bone. As I understand it, they get kinda screwed in that holy word is much less useful and BoG wtfpwns them. In their favor, they can easily acquire and use the most powerful scrolls in the game (FoD), but perhaps they could use an extra boost.


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I've known of a single scenario of ooc-rezzes which resulted in the deletion of several characters, some highly prolific.


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