Shattered Kingdoms

It's very ridiculous that a member of a tribunal can also be "INSERT MAJOR MECHANICAL REASON FOR JOINING THE HARLIES HERE". Either the main skill of the harlies needs nerfed or they shouldn't be able to join tribunals. There's a reason why the majority of the who list is typically in this cabal, and it isn't because people just really like drunk RP.

I havent seen much harly pk or harly/tribunal style pk on the log site. Im not sure what the implications would be about nerfing abilities of a cabal that is comprised of the majority of the who list (how do you know they are harlies?) You have to consider that a change like this may negatively affect who-list counts and the last thing this game needs are nerfs.

If anything we need class buffs and I think we can all agree that necros are really weak right now and could use one.

u might want to experiment and test things in the game before u make posts like this. there is already a serious drawback to being in a tribunal and the Harlequins at the same time. ur best cabal ability is pretty much negated if u try to use it in a kingdom/city that ur tribunal is at war with.

I'm pretty sure that if anything, what you're saying is that the specific NPCs which are coded to chase warring trib members regardless of being outlawed will still chase a harlie. If that is all that changes about the signature spell, then you need to redefine your definition of what "pretty much negated" means.

If it's something more than that, I'd appreciate a PM detailing why. I unfortunately don't have the time to retire my current character just to roll a harlie for testing purposes, so I'm basing what I have to say here in accordance with what other players have done with their harlie trib members.

The only two logs of PK on the front page are of a harly trib member.

I'm not entirely sure the 'others' you speak of. I glanced at the who list last week and saw multiple tribunal members, some of which I know for certain arent harlies, so that leaves only one potential ( a guy who doesnt pk )l and one recent guy who was retired or something. Before that, like two months ago there was a delven necro, but he is gone. Both of those players were moderately successful, but nothing to write home about. Are you saying that having a special ability and having a tank is too OP? If so, necros in harlies = OP. But necros are anything but overpowered. That class needs a buff.

so ur basically saying that u haven't tested it and u acknowledge that u don't know what ur talking about, but it should be changed cuz reasons. the harlequin + tribunal combo already has significant drawbacks, which is why i never joined a tribunal with my harlequin characters - ur more potent w/o a tribunal than with one.

can't go into specifics cuz of forum rulez, but ur conclusions r just horribly wrong

I'm not sure how some of what you said relates at all to what I said: The word 'others' didn't even appear in this thread before your post, although I guess you're talking about my statement that the majority of the who list is often Harlies: I know because I've been playing and the majority of the who list was harlies a -lot- of the time. It's also proven in the past to be a cabal that often takes over the playerbase just by sheer number of members.

I disagree that the last thing the game needs are nerfs. I think that the game is benefitted by proper balance, when a player doesn't have to worry about always fighting a losing battle just because they picked the wrong class, race or cabal. At the moment, Harlie trib members are afforded a -very- noticeable advantage over other cabal trib members because of A) the nature of the Harlequin cabal's signature skill and B) the change that combined tribunals and cabals together.

Harlies were a very powerful cabal mechanically before tribunals were allowed to be joined in addition to cabals. Now that virtually every PK-active character is in a tribunal, Harlequin are now overpowered because Harlequin have a very significant advantage in city-based PvP which is exacerbated by their ability to bring their own guards on the offensive while still enjoying those benefits.

Some aspect of Harlequin + Tribunal severely needs to be nerfed. I can't propose a solution because it's against the forum rules to discuss cabal abilities here. Finney's described to me his reasons for why he thinks they're not OP, and they're woefully insufficient.

u haven't provided an argument yet other than: u haven't tested anything and u acknowledge u don't know what ur talking about other than what u have "heard" - which is wrong by the way - but u want a nerf and u want it now cuz reasons

wat?

we're supposed to just take ur word that it should get nerfed cuz u say so - no testing, no logs, no evidence, nothing to support your claims. as someone that has actually played a harlequin not that long ago - joining a tribunal as a harlequin has more drawbacks than benefits. there's a reason that competent vets that join the harlequins don't also join a tribunal - cuz you are more potent w/o a tribunal than with one. it doesn't need to be changed.

I've personally experienced Lydia, despite being heavily outlawed, waltzing through Exile to her hearts' content killing whoever she wants using the Harlequin skillset along with a beefed up tribunal guard, while not summoning any bounty NPCs or attracting the attention of city guards. I think you're severely misrepresenting the potential for a harlie trib member with gate access to use a swash/barb tribunal NPC to secure kills with an inordinately small amount of risk. Is it the absolute best option for every harlie that wants to PK to join a tribunal? No, but in many cases it provides a sustainable advantage that is substantially greater than any other cabal trib combination.