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 Post subject: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhancement
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 9:14 pm 
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Is this on purpose? Seems like for a max dex character there's actually no benefit at all to haste if your weapon has 5+ speed enchantments? Khopesh has 5 speed, glaive has 6 speed, for reference. First affect shot is with no weapon wielded.

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[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
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>aff

 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
 o [Affects] Mellas - Sunspark                                               o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to weapon speed                       o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to peak dexterity                     o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to dexterity                          o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to reflex                                  o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to fortitude                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to willpower                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to weapon accuracy                         o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to peak attributes              o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to attributes                   o
 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
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>wie arch
You wield a holy sword of the archangel in your hand.
A holy sword of the archangel feels like a part of you!

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
12pm
>aff

 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
 o [Affects] Mellas - Sunspark                                               o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to peak dexterity                     o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to dexterity                          o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to reflex                                  o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to fortitude                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to willpower                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to weapon accuracy                         o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to peak attributes              o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to attributes                   o
 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
12pm
>rem arch
You stop using a holy sword of the archangel.

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
12pm
>aff

 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
 o [Affects] Mellas - Sunspark                                               o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to weapon speed                       o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to peak dexterity                     o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to dexterity                          o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to reflex                                  o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to fortitude                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to willpower                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to weapon accuracy                         o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to peak attributes              o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to attributes                   o
 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
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>wie glai
You wield a shiny, steel glaive in your hand.
A shiny, steel glaive feels like a part of you!

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
12pm
>aff

 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
 o [Affects] Mellas - Sunspark                                               o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to peak dexterity                     o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to dexterity                          o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to reflex                                  o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to fortitude                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to willpower                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to weapon accuracy                         o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to peak attributes              o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to attributes                   o
 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
12pm
>rem glai
You stop using a shiny, steel glaive.

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
12pm
>aff

 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo
 o [Affects] Mellas - Sunspark                                               o
 o===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===-===o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to weapon speed                       o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to peak dexterity                     o
 o Affect: 'haste' - enhancement bonus to dexterity                          o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to reflex                                  o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to fortitude                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to willpower                               o
 o Affect: 'bless' - morale bonus to weapon accuracy                         o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to peak attributes              o
 o Affect: 'spirit disorientation' - penalty to attributes                   o
 oOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOo

[HP:100] [ME:100] [PE: 96] (aggressive)
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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 9:29 pm 
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There was a bug identified with speed enhancements. you're just going way too high with the speed. They do stack, but if the speed enhancement on a weapon is greater than haste, it knocks it out.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:34 pm 
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This rings a bell but I wasn't aware there was still a problem.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 1:06 pm 
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Why not just make haste a "haste" bonus to weapon speed, dex, and peak dex rather than an "enhancement"?


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 2:20 pm 
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Dulrik wrote:
This rings a bell but I wasn't aware there was still a problem.


It's always been spotty. Last time I contributed to a thread about this I mentioned how sometimes the bonus from haste would show up, then after a reboot it wouldn't, then it would for two, then it wouldn't again, etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 6:43 pm 
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Mcbeth wrote:
Why not just make haste a "haste" bonus to weapon speed, dex, and peak dex rather than an "enhancement"?

If it's actually an enhancement bonus, then the intent is that it not stack. So if it is sometimes stacking, then that would be a bug. However, I'm not certain it is actually an enhancement bonus. It's been long enough that I need to go back and examine the code.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 6:47 pm 
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Last time this came up you said the fact that it WASN'T stacking with speed enchantments was the bug.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 9:10 am 
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So IS it supposed to stack?


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2014 1:02 pm 
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this is an example as i understand it. Lets say six speed runes gets you four swings. If you put six, you get your swings but you won't get a fifth because its as fast as it will go. But if you have three runes and get three swings, then you add haste, you'll still get the fourth swing.
Its all about max speed?

What am I talking about? I don't understand mechanics.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon speed enchantments don't stack with haste enhance
PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:06 pm 
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Is this considered a bug/was it ever addressed?


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