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 Post subject: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:16 pm 
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Hey Dulrik,

LT’s are currently redeemed in an first in first out method.
This needs to be changed to first in last out.

Reason:
I play Character A for 2 years and earn 100 LT’s.
I then create Character B and can use all 100 LT’s. Nice.
So I play Character B and use 45 for exp boost, and 35 for redeem mastery.
I have 20 LT’s left. so that means that I can resurrect/retrieval almost 7 times.
So let’s say I gain 15 LT’s on Character B. I have 35 total.

But when I roll Character C and use redeem exp boost, I am first using the LT’s that were awarded to Character A.
So if I use 15 LT’s on Character C, then I am only able to spend 5 LT’s on Character B.
5 usable LT’s on Character B and 25 total.
25 are usable on Character C.

But let’s say that before I use any LT’s on a Character C, I gain 5 LT’s.
That means I have (pre-redeem exp for Character C) I have 25 LT’s usable for Character B.

I then use Redeem Mastery for 5 LT’s on Character B, I would be using the five that I earned on Character C. So I would still have my original 20 LT’s usable on Character B, from when I earned them with Charafter A.

In short, we need to be able to utilize LT’s from our most recent
Character first. Last in, first out.
This will ensure that our stock pile of LT’s are last available and usable by all characters for as long as possible.

Please inquire if you have further questions. But please tend to this ASAP.

Thank you,

Terak


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:03 pm 
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I still cant figure out why the character that earn them, cant redeemed them!


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:53 pm 
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Carsetius wrote:
I still cant figure out why the character that earn them, cant redeemed them!


I would vote for LT’s to be usable on characters that earn them. But Dulrik was pretty stern in the beginning that we wouldn’t be able to do that.

Let’s think about he implementation of Loyalty Tokens.

The first things we were able to do was create unique class/race combos. (Snowflakes)
We were also able to use exp boost. So there was no need to use them on your current character.

Then we were given redeem un-specialize and redeem resurrect. Right?
We only recently were given redeem mastery, and redeem retrieval.

I believe that since we’re able to use them for resurrections, we need to be able to use the ones we earn. Once I run out of LT’s and can’t resurrect anymore, I’ll probably stop adventuring to unknown areas, since the risk will be far greater. The only reason I’m comfortable going to these places right now is because I have LT’s to burn. I can resurrect and retrieve my things and say “alright, that’s somewhere that I’ll need a bigger party for. Noted.”

But if Dulrik still doesn’t want us to be able to use LT’s on the character that earns them, we need to use our most recently-earned LT’s first. Plain and simple.


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:14 am 
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Seems very reasonable.


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:47 pm 
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Edit: Deleted rant about being ignored. ...again.
Any imms care to chime in? Is this possible?
Dulrik? Are you able/willing to make this happen?


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:31 pm 
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Bump


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:34 am 
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Here is what I can say...

We've tossed around ideas for other systems, but nothing has ever really stuck.

I've been a solid proponent for two separate token systems separated based on usage. One where you earn tokens for being a good player like currently, and a new one where tokens would be awarded based upon regular playtime, with bonuses based on regular playtime(ex: if you play an hour a day you receive X tokens and if you do that for 5 out of 7 days you would receive a bonus).

In a world where both systems existed, the Loyalty Tokens(LT) and the Activity Tokens(AT) would then fill different roles. Things that are of immediate benefit and usage and mostly about making your playtime have less headaches? Activity Tokens. Things that are about leveling new characters, and having a more unique experience? Those would fall under LT.

Examples: Account based XP-modifier? LT. Account based hunger/thirst reduction? LT. Different Class/Race combos? LT. Resurrections? AT. Call armor? AT. Skill improvement? AT.

LT would remain as is, not usable on the character that earned them, but it would matter much less. AT would only be available on the character that earned them, so basically the opposite.

The general idea would be to let good players have an easier and/or little bit different time rolling up a new character, while even if you aren't some RP champion who loves running factions, your regular presence would also be rewarded by making your playtime when you do play more enjoyable.

None of this has been balanced, and even I can admit that it seems like it might be a bit over-complicated and would need fleshed out a lot more before even being considered, I just wanted to point out, a lot of things have been tacked onto the LT system simply because that was the system we have, not necessarily where it should actually reside. Having those additional tacked on things is what makes people really want LT to be able to be used immediately, not what it was actually initially intended for.


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:44 am 
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For what it's worth, I think Algorab is on to something! :drunk:


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:21 pm 
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should just let LTs be redeemable immediately on any character. not being able to do endgame stuff on your main because you have no chance to recover your gear sucks [REDACTED].

and it's pretty silly that i can have a so-called 'hero' character who has 'earned' a lot of LTs but has only been able to redeem two LTs ever.


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 Post subject: Re: Dulrik- Please Rework “Redeem Order” ASAP
PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:17 am 
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Finally read your post, Algorab. And I like the ideas. Especially since AT’s would resolve the issue of not being able to resurect and recover.
But all of that seems very complicated and will take a lot of time to code, even after the idea is fleshed out.
I like your ideas and would like to see them implemented.
And thank you for your input on the topic.

That being said, the change that I’m requesting would take like an hour of editing code and it would resolve a problem with the current system.

Let’s fix what we have now with a quick bandaid before going into full Loyalty Token surgery. I’d love to see your ideas used, but I’m still requesting that LT’s be redeemed in a first in last out method.


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