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 Post subject: [PvE] Somnium Script Shenanigans.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:04 am 
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This is just a snippet of two people dying horribly to Somnium.

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[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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Tobe tells the party 'How goes?'

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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The whispers of unearthly beings resound through the area.
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium's control over time mends her wounds.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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gt About to start. Will let you know.
You tell the party 'About to start. Will let you know.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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op d
You open the circular door.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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l d
The circular door is open.
You see The Floating Stairway.
Tobe and Mayra are nearby down from here.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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say Okay...
You say 'Okay...'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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inf

Party Name: !
Goals: Anything Destination: Anywhere
Statuses: [Mas to Gra] Alignments: Principled to Anarchist
(F1) [---------------] (F2) [ Lorain] (F3) [---------------]
(M1) [---------------] (M2) [ Liliana] (M3) [---------------]
(B1) [---------------] (B2) [---------------] (B3) [---------------]
Characters Rank Pos Here Follow Prone HP ME PE
Liliana Leader M2 Yes No No 100% 100% 100%
Mayra Member ?? No No No 100% 100% 100%
A silver-winged pegasus Member ?? No No No 100% 100% 100%
Lorain Member F2 Yes Yes No 100% 97% 100%
A silver-winged pegasus Member ?? No No No 100% 100% 100%
Tobe Member ?? No No No 100% 34% 100%
A spirit steed Member F2 Yes No No 100% 0% 100%

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Tobe tells the party 'Okay.'

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Lorain nods.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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c 'spear of faith' somn
You start to pray.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Your aggressive move destroys your sanctuary spell!
The white aura around your body fades.
You utter the words, 'gszabra ay yauhp'.
Your prayers are ignored. Perhaps you just made a mistake?
Somnium starts to concentrate.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Somnium dodges a spirit steed's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's face, slightly bruising her cheek.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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Somnium utters the words, 'qpabraw dudasabru'.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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snick
You snicker softly.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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l

High atop the Tower of Time
A fine crystal dome towers overhead, seated on white walls of flawless
marble. Visible through the dome is an impossible sight: the moon hanging
in the night sky to the east, surrounded by twinkling stars, all of which
melt into the western part of the dome where the sun shines brightly in a
blue sky. Set out along the floor of the tower are enormous metal
constructions supporting rotating globes of metal, all of which dance around
each other in slow, methodical paths. Set along the perimeter of the tower
top are twelve large hourglasses, all of which are nearly the size of a
person's head, set upon white marble pedestals.
Obvious exits: d
Lorain (a white-haired male elf) is here, fighting Somnium.
(4) You are here.
Somnium is here, fighting Lorain.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's face, slightly bruising her cheek.
Somnium causes Lorain some slight wounds as her deadly wrath hits his right arm.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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Somnium dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Lorain punches at Somnium's face, slightly bruising her cheek.
Lorain dodges Somnium's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
>
Somnium dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Somnium misses Lorain.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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Somnium dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Somnium's deadly wrath slightly hits Lorain's chest.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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Lorain flexes his muscles, in an attempt to impress Somnium.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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Somnium dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Lorain dodges Somnium's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 98%] [PE:100%]
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gt Lorain I'll probably eject you so I can punch.
You tell the party 'Lorain I'll probably eject you so I can punch.'

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE:100%]
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A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's face, slightly bruising her cheek.
Somnium's deadly wrath slightly singes Lorain's head.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE:100%]
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get ki rob
You get a set of golden ki straps from The Robes of River Death.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE:100%]
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Lorain nods.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE:100%]
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wear ki
You wear a set of golden ki straps on your hands.
A set of golden ki straps feels like a part of you!

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE:100%]
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A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Lorain dodges Somnium's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE:100%]
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mood agg
You assume an aggressive stance.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE: 97%]
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A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Lorain dodges Somnium's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE: 97%]
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Irelysia replies 'I can't manifest to you.'

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE: 97%]
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A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Somnium's deadly wrath slightly singes Lorain's head.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE: 97%]
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A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's face, slightly bruising her cheek.
Somnium's deadly wrath barely hits Lorain's right arm.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE: 97%]
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twid
You patiently twiddle your thumbs.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE: 97%]
>
A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's face, slightly bruising her cheek.
Somnium's deadly wrath slightly hits Lorain's chest.

[HP:100%] [ME: 97%] [PE: 97%]
>
l

Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium's control over time mends her wounds.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Lorain says 'I almost got her'

High atop the Tower of Time
A fine crystal dome towers overhead, seated on white walls of flawless
marble. Visible through the dome is an impossible sight: the moon hanging
in the night sky to the east, surrounded by twinkling stars, all of which
melt into the western part of the dome where the sun shines brightly in a
blue sky. Set out along the floor of the tower are enormous metal
constructions supporting rotating globes of metal, all of which dance around
each other in slow, methodical paths. Set along the perimeter of the tower
top are twelve large hourglasses, all of which are nearly the size of a
person's head, set upon white marble pedestals.
Obvious exits: d
Lorain (a white-haired male elf) is here, fighting Somnium.
(4) You are here.
Somnium is here, fighting Lorain.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
A spirit steed misses Somnium.
Lorain punches at Somnium's face, slightly bruising her cheek.
Lorain dodges Somnium's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
lauhg
Huh? Type 'help' for a list of commands.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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laug
You laugh.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Somnium dodges a spirit steed's attack.
Lorain punches at Somnium's chest, barely wounding her.
Lorain dodges Somnium's attack.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
l som
This crooked being has the shape of a female humanoid but appears to be
much more. It has ivory white skin, which is wrinkled in several places
except its oval face. Its complexion is so very pale that it seems to
almost glow - the curious light coming from somewhere within. Its ageless
face is framed with silvery hair that reaches all the way down to its ankles
where it brushes the floor. Starlit orbs sit where its eyes should be,
lacking pupils, eyelashes or eyebrows. A foreboding sensation emanates from
this creature, but it is difficult to say why.
Her head is scratched.
Her chest is scratched.
Overall, Somnium has a few scratches.

Somnium is using:
<worn on body> a shroud of billowing light (brand new)
<worn on head> a wreath of billowing light (brand new)
<worn on legs> a kilt of billowing light (brand new)
<worn on feet> boots of billowing light (brand new)
<worn on hands> wraps of billowing light (brand new)
<worn on arms> sleeves of billowing light (brand new)
<worn about waist> a girdle of billowing light (brand new)

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Somnium raises her arms suddenly and you feel reality begin to shift as she utters the words, 'time stop'.
The strands of time whirl about you, encompassing you, then slowly binding you like a spider's web even as you seem to see Somnium dissolve in midair.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Lorain grimaces painfully at the thought.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
>
Somnium raises her arms once again and begins to quickly chant spell after spell in an unknown arcane language.
Suddenly, the shadowy images of the past freeze just as you were about to attack her and begin moving forward again at an accelerated rate. This time however, none of your attacks are hitting her but rather being turned back against you.
Lorain slumps out of a spirit steed's saddle.
Lorain is DEAD!!
You hear Lorain's death cry.
A silver-winged pegasus wanders away.
One of your members has left the party.
A spirit steed leaves your party.
One of your members has left the party.
A spirit steed wanders away.
You have been KILLED!!

You feel less protected.
Your shroud fades away.
You can no longer see the spirits.
You feel less protected.
Your images fade away.
You no longer feel stealthy.
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium is protected by a force shield.
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium appears.
Somnium appears.
Somnium appears.
Somnium appears.
Somnium appears.
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium is protected by a spell ward.
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
Somnium glows with mystical energy!
You feel time return to its normal flow.
The ghost of Lorain's corpse seems to waver as it touches the ground.
It takes on the same insubstantial form as your surroundings and vanishes.
Your corpse seems to waver as it touches the ground.
It takes on the same insubstantial form as your surroundings and vanishes.

[HP:100%] [ME:106%] [PE:100%]
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laugh
You laugh.

[HP:100%] [ME:106%] [PE:100%]
>
l

High atop the Tower of Time
A fine crystal dome towers overhead, seated on white walls of flawless
marble. Visible through the dome is an impossible sight: the moon hanging
in the night sky to the east, surrounded by twinkling stars, all of which
melt into the western part of the dome where the sun shines brightly in a
blue sky. Set out along the floor of the tower are enormous metal
constructions supporting rotating globes of metal, all of which dance around
each other in slow, methodical paths. Set along the perimeter of the tower
top are twelve large hourglasses, all of which are nearly the size of a
person's head, set upon white marble pedestals.
Obvious exits: d
The severed finger of Liliana is here.
(Ethereal) The ghost of Lorain (a white-haired male elf) is flying here.
(6) Hunched over slightly, the Avatar of Time stands here.

[HP:100%] [ME:106%] [PE:100%]
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The ghost of Lorain exclaims 'SO CLOSE!'

[HP:100%] [ME:106%] [PE:100%]
>
The ghost of Lorain looks at Somnium.


The only clue players are given as to how Somnium's script works is that she's somehow 'turning your damage around back on you'. However, this log seems to be pretty concrete evidence that the script doesn't work anything like that. We did approximately zero damage to her in this, and both somehow died to the script. (And then somehow survive the script in the other log, after beating her down to Awful Condition.)


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 Post subject: Re: [PvE] Somnium Script Shenanigans.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:45 am 
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That's not zero damage. Lorain hit Somnium 15 times, 7 of which were face punches with brawling and enhanced damage. Lorain also wasn't at 100% going into the timestrike. He had been hit 6 times by deadly wrath. If you want to really put your theory to the test for science, you should legitimately do zero damage and have everyone at 100% health and then see what happens.

I can tell you the following things about the script. One, it does not appear to be bugged at all. Two, it can be strategized, and you're at least in the right ballpark. Three, it appears to be working according to the intent of its creators.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:10 pm 
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Thuban wrote:
That's not zero damage. Lorain hit Somnium 15 times, 7 of which were face punches with brawling and enhanced damage. Lorain also wasn't at 100% going into the timestrike. He had been hit 6 times by deadly wrath. If you want to really put your theory to the test for science, you should legitimately do zero damage and have everyone at 100% health and then see what happens.

I can tell you the following things about the script. One, it does not appear to be bugged at all. Two, it can be strategized, and you're at least in the right ballpark. Three, it appears to be working according to the intent of its creators.


To do that in an actual test, you'd have to find like, a sorceror who didn't train self defense to stand in the front row. There is no way to 'toggle off attacking completely'.

It's just very hard to understand what is going on with this script, since, doing almost no damage with a small group gets you killed, and doing 2342534 damage with a big group intentionally doing as much damage as possible (this is the only way I've managed to beat her, the two times we've done it in the past 4 months, and in the past years ago too), at least some people survive, and then since she does absolutely nothing, you can kill her with whatever survives the script.

Obviously she's beatable, it just...feels kind of counter-intuitive or something, the way she works.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:39 pm 
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TacoRobot wrote:
To do that in an actual test, you'd have to find like, a sorceror who didn't train self defense to stand in the front row. There is no way to 'toggle off attacking completely'.


This suggests otherwise:

TacoRobot wrote:
[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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c 'spear of faith' somn
You start to pray.

[HP:100%] [ME:100%] [PE:100%]
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Your aggressive move destroys your sanctuary spell!
The white aura around your body fades.
You utter the words, 'gszabra ay yauhp'.
Your prayers are ignored. Perhaps you just made a mistake?
Somnium starts to concentrate.


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 Post subject: Re: [PvE] Somnium Script Shenanigans.
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:23 pm 
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Thuban wrote:
That's not zero damage. Lorain hit Somnium 15 times, 7 of which were face punches with brawling and enhanced damage. Lorain also wasn't at 100% going into the timestrike. He had been hit 6 times by deadly wrath. If you want to really put your theory to the test for science, you should legitimately do zero damage and have everyone at 100% health and then see what happens.

I can tell you the following things about the script. One, it does not appear to be bugged at all. Two, it can be strategized, and you're at least in the right ballpark. Three, it appears to be working according to the intent of its creators.


Just for the record, paladins don't get brawling.


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 Post subject: Re: [PvE] Somnium Script Shenanigans.
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 6:52 pm 
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Just bring a whip for the paladin to wield. That actually does zero damage, although it's possible that time stop just bases its damage on the number of attacks instead of raw damage dealt.

IIRC, I used this tactic on Turon and it worked reasonably well: With only a hellion doing zero damage on whips, we ended up having only 2(?) people of our 6-7 man group insta-killed by time stop and the rest were fine to finish the battle easily.


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