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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:55 am 
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While I am sure this is true, I do not understand what that has to do with the topic at hand. All paragons have to have a fair number of rewards, and maintain a certain amount of hours each month. I think it is safe to say that any paragon has been around for a long time.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:38 am 
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Coya wrote:

Who list wrote:
[PAR ---] Wortsenawl, Knight of Truth
[PAR ---] Aelraen Softstone, Hero of the Free, Chieftain of all Ayamao.
[PAR ---] Sithara Theos - Storm's Voice - Lorekeeper
[PAR ---] Eusd Knight of Dawn, Captain of the Peacekeepers
[PAR ---] Filliokwe Defender of the Verdant Arcane
[PAR ---] Linarumien Erevan, Savant of History, High Priestess of Wisdom
[PAR Pri] Lirimaer Elda, Devoted Dove of the Rose, Ayamaoan Advisor


I remember checking the who list (I would think at a similar time) and having an OOC chat to someone reflecting your sentiments exactly. There needs to be a method of ensuring the PARs don't all end up on one side together. I actually discussed having mine taken away as I didn't think I put in the hours to deserve it, but was told if I did that it would just be lost until the next reboot, not given to someone else.

This time round, I have enlighted only 2 people. One darkie and then a lightie after. However, there are two or three others I am waiting to enlight, all dark and based of interractions with my alt - I guess that is acceptable?

Getting PAR this time for me has nothing to do with the Global RP that went on, I did recieve 1 enlight for it, but that was after I already got the PAR flag.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:17 am 
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This time round, I have enlighted only 2 people. One darkie and then a lightie after. However, there are two or three others I am waiting to enlight, all dark and based of interractions with my alt - I guess that is acceptable?



Yes, I believe it is acceptable, as it's acceptable to hand one out based on another player's suggestion. But as you say yourself, this happens because you happened to have an alt of the opposite aura and thus given the chance to get a more rounded idea of what's going on on all battlefields. The suggestion is that there is some sort of aura-based control as to who has the flag, in order to achieve just that.

I liked what <too lazy to scroll up and check, insert name here> suggested. Having just a couple reserved for each aura and the rest of the flags up for grabs.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:31 am 
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An idea that might fix the problem to some degree.

Have paragon function as normal. When a reward is given a reason for the reward is logged with it (reward size person reason). If you are able to maintain paragon for three months. A choice is made to make the paragon a permanent rewarder. Such people would be granted less rewards but would never lose this ability unless their rewards become befitting. If the person was decided not to become a permanent rewarder then their rewards total for becoming a paragon is reset to zero giving another person a chance to rise to the challenge.

This would give chars like Frollith for example who held paragon positions for such a long time to in effect step outside the current system. While letting them continue to grant reward others, thus giving others the chance to follow in their examples of RP while they are still around.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:10 am 
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Coya wrote:
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There was a recent rash of deletions of dark PARs. There used to be 13 PARs, one per class. Now there are 12, the highest ranking I believe.

Almost all of those characters have been around for a considerable length of time and do in fact have PAR mostly for that reason.

I have given out 4 enlightenments thus far since receiving PAR. 1 Light, 2 Grey, 1 Dark.

Also, Naixin is a dark-auraed PAR. Eilsys is grey but on the darkie side of life. Gork is also PAR and a grey-auraed.

Of those listed, I am certain Sithara, Aelraen, Filliokwe, Wortsenawl, Gork, and I, at the very least, will reward any aura based on RP. Each of us interact with all auras and thus will do so.


I am not accusing any paragons of 'abuse' by not rewarding outside their aura. What I said was that there is limited interaction outside your auras. Can you honestly say you RP equally with evil characters than you do good ones? Could a lightie ever truly get involved and understand a necromancer's full concept? Or could a necromancer ever truly understand the depth of a paladin's character? Personally, I don't think so. I am sure all PARs are well RPed characters and I am not saying they are undeserving. I am just suggesting that a more aura rounded system might be more suiting.


One of my favorite interactions who got an instant reward for it was a deep-elven priest of Nashira. He was just such a jerk that he just annoyed me so quickly. It was at the time an unusual response for me and I loved it.

I am defending my position when there is little need. The astral boards in the game will show you just how much time in the past I have spent with dark auras. I am always willing to RP with them and go to places to interact with them.

The former system based on class was not fair because a priest would never get it from Frollith while he lived, no matter how good (ex Othet), while creating a rogue and getting 2 enlightenments would see it the next reboot (ex Zavier when he started).

Perhaps a 4, 4, 4, might be better but then you will find you are not getting the best RPers based on their total but only the top for of the light, the grey, the dark. That would mean in the rash of deletions, maybe 1-2 darkies would deserve it, while the rest of the Light is seemingly punished for something they have no control over. It is hardly our fault we have kept our characters for so long.

Also, Aelraen, Filliokwe, and Gork are grey and do interact with greys and darkies. Two of them are more grey than one perhaps but they are all still grey so the argument of "Grey on the Lightie side" is rather void if you want them to be handed out equally among light, grey, and dark.


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I don't know how I can be more clear with this. Let me try to put it simply.

My desires to have Paragons more aura rounded has absolutely nothing to do with the current list of Paragons. I am not doubting that there is cross RP rewarding, I am just suggesting that a system be put in place secure all sides get equal paragon coverage. In other words, if you are currently a Paragon and you are reading this, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW YOU ARE PLAYING YOU CHARACTER. It is just an idea to secure in code, that all sides have a chance.

I agree the current system is better than the old one that was class based, but I think that having more Paragons spread out through the game would help the common SKer.


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I'd be in favor of this idea, provided there were a minimum threshold and it was not a set number per aura. This would make certain there are at least 2 (3?) of each aura. If there were more than five of any aura, then the top five are selected, the smallest group remaining getting the net.

This would combine both ideas and allow for flexibility while also reassuring that everyone was indeed getting a fair shake. I'd say that paragon rewards used to be very nepotic. They are less so now, but there's still perhaps a need to spread the love around.

Agree fully on this system being better than the last. I'd like to see this one tweaked perhaps and if heroes ever get coded into the game like paragons, they as well getting a reward to share.

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Agreed, no one denies this system is by far better than the previous one. But maybe it can be made even better by the suggested changes. I hope the current paragons don't feel any need to pose defensively on this aspect here, as no one supporting this idea thinks that any of those characters don't fulfill their role adequately.

Achernar's got it right. It's about spreading the luuurve.


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It is not a bad idea to limit or give threshold to how many paragons per aura, etc.. Just to point out however, there has been a very recent case of a light aura character in the Midnight Council. There has also been dark aura characters in light-oriented cities.

Anyway, quality player characters who have played the same character for a longer period of time tend to accumulate more rewards, whilst this by itself promotes longevity, they also have a higher tendency to move on. We are just in a time where some darkies retired, in conjunction with the events that took place in a certain darkie cabal.

Paragons will do what they can to give out rewards, and as for the rest, we but have to trust the immortals are doing their thing from time to time for full coverage.

A tweak that could be useful in order for paragons to hand out more rewards, and this has been mentioned several times, would be allowing the 'reset' to happen towards the end of the day, instead of the 24 hours timer.


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I'd wait a few more months before deciding that we need quotas. Keep in mind that previous sets were much more favorable to the dark, until all the dark side PARs except Naixin deleted. There simply aren't many solid and stable darkie characters right now, though I expect that certain ones will be getting the flag in the next few months. (If they don't, I might start arguing in favor of the quotas. :P) But I think the system's simplicity is part of what makes it so effective. There hasn't been a time when lighties or darkies completely dominated PAR since the change, and I don't see why we should suddenly start worrying about the possibility.

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Could a lightie ever truly get involved and understand a necromancer's full concept? Or could a necromancer ever truly understand the depth of a paladin's character?


A paragon who expects deep involvement and understanding of a character's concept before giving an enlight needs to be hit with a clue bat. Reward small is not that precious.


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